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Monkey D. Ruffy
Very Respected VIP club member
Added: Jul 25, 2010 4:38 pm
What was deleted/edited here as well?!?

Guess, the one and only didn't like the graphic, one of the oron fans himself posted about his earnings.

So why?!? Is it a secret, that these oron fans earn lots of money (1,000+ US$/month)?!?

Monkey D. Ruffy
dippitydoo
Good Poster
Added: Jul 25, 2010 4:57 pm
I thought those figures were for weekly payouts!!

Anyone want to do the math and work out how many D/L's that is

Someone did try to get me to us Usercash when i looked at it the money per D/L was absolute peanuts and that time i did do the math it was incredible the amount of D/L's needed to make money

Then they went bust leaving dead links LOL

As for other service like sharing matrix F*lesonic yeah great all iget with them now is 9.57 mins to wait ad nauseum as a free user Crying or Very sad
twiceshy
Poster
Added: Jul 25, 2010 5:10 pm
dippitydoo wrote:
I thought those figures were for weekly payouts!!

Anyone want to do the math and work out how many D/L's that is


Their page says $0.5 - 10 per 1000 downloads. I assume that like HF you are usually stuck on the bottom of the scale, however if you probably force many premiums by splitting 600 Mb files in 6 parts, you can maybe get to $5, so let's take that as a target amount.

We saw monthly payouts in excess of $1,000 which then implies 200x1000 downloads = 200,000 downloads and that's outrageous considering that it is very difficult to get an average of 100 downloads / file if you post on one board, so we are talking about 1,000s of files spammed over many boards and 99% will be remote uploaded from random other users all over the internet, because nobody can up- and download that fast or have enough subscriptions to even get that many files.

And that is an example of a commercial pirate. Don't bother thanking those people because they never read replies, because the posts are usually made by spam bots on dozens of forums simultaneously.

.... will this message remain ...
svinto
Retired Legend
Added: Jul 25, 2010 5:43 pm
The forum is now in the hands of the Russian moneylaundring maffia.
Hence the unwanted evidences are removed.
Wonder if I'm going to be banned without explanation and this post deleted. Very Happy

This page has been saved as an html to prove it once exsisted.
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Good Samaritan
Porn Industry since 1996
Added: Jul 25, 2010 7:19 pm
RabidSquirrel wrote:
Well this is just my opinion, but as i'm the second-most prolific poster (quite a way behind sveindoll) on this forum I like to think that maybe it has some weight.

First of I think it's strange that people are mad that the number of filehosters has gone down. For uploaders it's better with fewer filehosters (or even only one) because that means more premium accounts on that fileshost=more downloads=longer life for the uploads. Yes if you have all your files uploaded on another filehost then it's not that good - but then again real uploaders make uploads for that specific forum - they don't spam their links all over the net.
For downloaders it's even better - you only need 1 premium account and then you can get everything that's uploaded - yes Oron (which everybody is mad about) have a 12 gigabyte/3 days cap, but let's face it, bandwith costs money - so the filehosts that have no limits do that by making the small users pay for the big users (like MU) or cancel your account for whatever reason with no way to complain (like HF).
If I was the forum-owner I might have chosen another host (Fileserve or Netload) but then again I can understand GS's motivation to choose Oron - it is widely used on what certainly is the biggest Porn-board on the net = a lot of posts by (pardon my french) post-whores from that board.
In fact if I was in charge I would have chosen Oron as the ONLY filehost allowed, from the choises given (RS-which is WAY too expensive for large uploaders and then the links die very fast, MU- which servers gives way too many errors when uploading (even by FTP) and Oron)
Infact the Warez-boards that are most succesfull (now and in the past) are the ones with only 1 filehoster (in the past RS now it's mostly HF) - I don't know all that much about Porn-boards but I suspect it's the same.

Then there is the question about the moderators (or ex-moderators): GS makes the rules (after some discussion which I think has happened) and the moderators has to follow them or leave. But they seem to have made the decision to not follow the rules - so GS really had no choise but to take their moderating privilegies away. I have to admit I think that's quite fair, I have come across moderators before that thought they ruled the board, eventhough others (and me) payed the bills, and well from my side that resulted in an IP-ban, so I think GS is very understanding (maybe too much).

Then there is the crap about GS maybe earning money from referrals - first if he is - congratulations! it's quite hard to make money from a forum even one as big as this. Then second if that was foremost in his mind why allow MU and RS without an Oron link. And third do you have any idea what it cost's to run a forum like this? I do and I would be surprised if GS earns in month what would be a normal weekly(or even daily)-wage in a normal job. So if he can get some money from Oron to cover the server-costs then go for it.

There is really only one thing I think could be better and that would be the inclusion of a Hide-tag. I agree with the decision to ban link-protectors (a more virus infested-swamp it's hard to find and then there is the possibility of phishing) but it would be nice to have the possibility to hide the links from everyone's prying eyes. Then you could have a guest-forum where every link has to be out in the open for everyone to see (and get that much more downloads) - and maybe even submit them to Katz or Phaze or whatever.

Well that was my 2 cents - now I think it's on to posting more quality posts using Oron - and to the doubters: for the about 30 posts I made with Oron I have gotten about 1500 downloads in 6 days so there most be alot of leechers and other members who don't give a damn about this but just want to download quality porn.

RabidSquirrel


Ok now this sounds like a reasonable man. Thank you RabidSquirrel, I appreciate your posts, comments and opinions. This is a smart man talking here.

Now this thread is about to be locked people, if you continue to veer off topic. If you want to discuss ORON we have General Chat section, feel free do it there. Frankly I don’t see nothing constructive in your posts, only bitching and whining about nothing.

What is your problem? You still have RS, if you want to use it, God speed. Posters left? New ones came and looks like pretty good ones with more now planning to bless this forum with good content.

I don’t know what the fuss is all about and I don’t understand why an addition of one single file host have caused such anger. Don’t like it don’t use it. I met you guys half way and I brought RS back and don’t even require mirrors. You can still do whatever you were doing before!
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matadorstuff
Respected Poster
Added: Jul 25, 2010 7:56 pm
Good Samaritan wrote:
Ok now this sounds like a reasonable man. Thank you RabidSquirrel, I appreciate your posts, comments and opinions. This is a smart man talking here.


Of course you think RS is a "smart" man, he is the only person I've seen leaping to your defence! And I don't include any of the new Oron posters; their opinion doesn't count as they don't know - nor care - what has been lost.

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What is your problem?


Everyone has shouted why they're angry until they're blue in the face. I don't buy your naivety.

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New ones came and looks like pretty good ones with more now planning to bless this forum with good content.


Can't you see? This is the problem. These new posters - and you're not being honest about where they mysteriously appeared from - are not good ones. Their only interest is cash. They post the same stuff to as many boards as possible. They have no personality, they're not the type to take part in General Chat etc. FO has lost what made it unique - a sense of community, a common passion among the members for sharing just for the sake of it - not for money. Posters not doing it for selfish reasons don't want their posts to be instantly lost by a flood of recycled, random Oron rubbish from robots.

And since we are still talking about your forum "improvements", this thread is still very much on-topic. Deleting posts or locking this thread is a coward's way out.

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Dagobert1
Retired Legend
Added: Jul 25, 2010 8:02 pm
This board did lost many GREAT posters and MODERATORS. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

Goodbye Crying or Very sad

And svinto is right:
END OF AN ERA
fantailedalbi
Respected Poster
Added: Jul 25, 2010 8:22 pm
GS - there are several problems with what’s been happening recently.

First off is the change to accepted file hosts. RS has been the preferred one since the forum started and, although not perfect (none of them are), it’s met one of the basic foundations of this place – members should not make financial gains by sharing. We are here to share our enjoyment of adult material with our friends without getting reward for it. Sites like Oron give financial reward to those who those who have files saved there. Why do you now want to encourage members to use a file host which pays people, something which has been against the rules of the forum for years?

Second, why have the picture hosts restrictions been lifted to allow places with lots of advertising? Again, the previous permitted ones haven’t all been great but we’re now subject to lots of shit.

Thirdly, why have all the moderators been sacked? They have spent a lot of their time for free for years to look after this place, make it safe from spam and unwanted material (und3rage).

Final question and probably something you won’t answer, but I’ll ask it anyway. Are you the original GS or someone who has bought the forum? A lot that has happened in the last few weeks suggests you are not the same person and have taken over to make money by using Oron to sell (get money from) your own movies. It’s so obvious that you have friends uploading many movies there (square has posted over 1200 movies in less than 3 days), all seem to be unknown, non-American or European stuff and probably from Russia or one of the former USSR states. It so strongly suggests that this is a take-over of the forum by a porn producer to make money (by using Oron).

Comments please!

btw. this page has been saved for evidence so it can't be deleted as though it never happened
dippitydoo
Good Poster
Added: Jul 25, 2010 8:36 pm
Square is rather odd Joined: 15 Nov 2004
But only seemed to start posting 3 days ago! and as said 1200 in 3days Rolling Eyes
userL301
Respected Poster
Added: Jul 25, 2010 8:53 pm
So there is no-one willing to answer why the screenshots of a uploader (who was proudly showing how much someone can earn with oron) were removed? Is it that bad that people can earn money with uploading, that this has to be censored?
Censorship is absence of freedom.



Oron is a good hoster (for those, who like it) [I'm not complaining Wink ]

But why is here made such a difference between users depending on which hoster they use?
Is someone allmighty here seperating good from bad?
good = everyone who uses a specific host - these don't have to obey the rules
bad = everyone following some rules - these are at the anarchists mercy?


To me as a useless, worhless and stupid user it seems like people are **** into a direction they don't like. That's NOT freedom.





Is the staff free of rules?
Why are members bound to this forum?
How do civilised people treat each other?
Are user helpless in face of staff?
What are traditions of this forum?
How much change is too much?
Why cast good "things" out of here?
What is worh to keep? Good Samaritan wrote:
Can one be free without anarchy?
There is talk that any standard seems binding
What are the rules of the community?
At what point are rules too small?
Is tradition many unspoken rules?
Must things change?
Must things stay the same?
How does one judge which tradition to keep?
Lilredfishie
Respected Poster
Added: Jul 25, 2010 10:34 pm
I have no idea what is going on here. I've been taking a break from posting for a number of other reasons, and the next thing I see is mods being booted and nearly all the biggest posters taking their business elsewhere.

Years ago I was admin in a forum like this one. That experience taught me that only three rules are needed:
- No posting of und€rage stuff.
- Treat others the same way as you want them to treat you.
- Post only your own links.

More rules than that only mean extra work for those in charge, won't make people any more happy anyway, and are basically an insult. Unfortunately I see a bit of that in here -- I've been seeing it for a long time but disregarded it because FO used to be a damn good place.

What happens next I don't know, but I anyway won't be among those shouting "crucify, crucify". For every member leaving there will be new ones ready to post, so who really cares...

~lrf~
sacto
Good Poster
Added: Jul 25, 2010 10:37 pm
Is it possible to know what members have the authority and are acting as moderators?
dFighter
Poster
Added: Jul 26, 2010 12:19 am
OK, I sense a lot of hypocrisy from the RS defenders here:

1) You are criticizing the fact that very few filehosts were allowed. Well, when people wanted Hotfile, DF, SM, etc. so there could be more content, you defended restricting filehosts. It's obvious that only when the precious RS is no longer the top filehost do you begin crying for more 'freedom.'

There never was absolute freedom on the board, there never is absolute freedom. The board seems to be doing fine, I'm getting good remote uploads on Oron, and am ready to begin mirroring my content up - pretty good stuff too, I've been getting a lot of downloads on other sites.

Am I a 'cash-whore?' No, I just like to have a reason to keep posting good stuff. I view every video before I post it to make sure its good, sometimes if there's a video that goes against my posting philosophy I won't post it even if it means forgoing the $$$ I could make just spamming random junk all over boards.

2) To quote myself on another thread, "I don't see why Rapid should be banned per se, but I don't see why people defend it with their lives either. Rapid always was, and always will be a shitty filehost to me. It's made me wait the longest as a free user, it loses the most files, and now they rip the uploaders who have to fucking PAY for traffic as well as downloaders. Their shitty "rapids" system isn't fooling anyone, within minutes people did the math and figured out you actually just fucking pay like 4 times as much. IMO, Rapid always was bad but now is just vile."

Again, I don't care 'what different experiences' there are, NOBODY else makes me wait 126 fucking seconds for a 100mb file, and then wait another 2+ fucking hours to download another 100mb file that the 1gb+ file was split into! Think of how many fucking parts and waiting that is!

Whereas with a reasonable filehost like Hotfile, DF, SM, Oron, etc. you can get 400mb chunks that means a LOT less waiting in the long run, even with SM's 10 minute wait.
svinto
Retired Legend
Added: Jul 26, 2010 12:21 am
sacto wrote:
Is it possible to know what members have the authority and are acting as moderators?


There is no list for it as far as I know.
Here are the names I have seen.
Admins: Good Samaritan and Igor G
Moderators: square, ayebite and mialove
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dFighter
Poster
Added: Jul 26, 2010 12:41 am
Svinto, the "usergroups" thing only gives me GS, but would it be wrong as well?

Also, as an addendum to my above post, I'll also say I love Megaupload, but the lack of a remote upload for free users is the kink in the hose.

That said, is it true however that Megaupload links are not allowed without an Oron mirror as well?
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