Max Harcore sentenced to prison

This case is scary because he was not convicted of **** or abuse of the actress. He was convicted of selling a movie that depicted two consenting adults that was objectionable to a small group of people(jury) in one small part of the country that results in the rest of the country not able to view the movie. Is there any movie that wouldn't be found objectionable to eight selected people somewhere in the country? This country was founded on freedoms, and when we start losing those freedoms it is scary.

jamesr wrote:

Honestly, it annoys me when people misuse the word "freedom".

What about the freedom of the girls to feel they have control over their circumstances? The freedom to say "I was abused" without feeling pressured or threatened, even if by a legal team saying they signed the waiver so go suck eggs.

What about the freedom of girls to walk safe on the street at night? The freedom to plan ahead financially without criminals losing your money for you. The freedom to live without being one of the 25% of all women who are sexually abused during their lives.

Want to champion some freedoms? At least whinge about one of the thousands that would actually make a difference in the world. People are not commodities. People are more important than profits. People are what makes this life liveable.

sonyman1232002 wrote:
In liquid gold, of course!

billyellis wrote:

umm let me think about that for a while,Umm no thanks but i would have solid gold bars if you know what i mean!!!

chocophilia wrote:

Girls have the freedom to walk the streets at night, there is no guarantee of safety however. That's the downfall of freedom because if you think of it, a truly free society is probably one of the most dangerous to live in. If you want a girl to be able to walk down the street with absolute safety, then you're likely seeing a strictly controlled community which is opposite of freedom. Granted you'll fee safe, but it's because big brother is watching over each and every move of it's people.

I'm definitely not pushing for abuse of women, I think it sucks when it happens, but that stuff happens. There are a number of ways to help without hurting our freedom however. One off the top of my head would be to legalize weed and prostitution, and lighten up on other drugs. That would:

a) Help free up the legal system so courts are not flooded with useless cases vs potheads, weed dealers, or hookers.
b) Allow sexual predators to get out some of their issues on legal prostitutes in a controlled, safe environment.

Another would be to drop the legal age of anything sexual to 16. I bet having an option to go out, shell out $50 and fuck a 16 year old completely legally would curb at least some sexual abuse cases. Of course it wouldn't deter all of them. There are some people who are just wired to be turned on by other things, some really sick things, and those people hopefully wouldn't slip through the cracks of the legal system due to overcrowding of courts and prisons.

vanillaice wrote:

As previously mentioned a couple times, this wasnt a national issue. It was a state issue. Florida. Regardless, this is why the porn industry is one of MH's biggest enemies. He was always pushing the limits of what is allowed in most areas, drawing too much attention to the entire business and threatening to give them all a bad rep (guilty by association). Its people like MH that get the bible thumpers in a huff and go after everyone, wanting even stricter regulations. He finaly pushed enough in the right place (distributing his unwanted trash to Fla) to get his sorry ass busted.

Why they watched 8 hours of his ped0/****/abuse fantasy films was to make sure they wouldnt view only his harshest moments but also events leading to them.

As for the models signing with him that had complaints, either they werent too bright, hopelessly desperate, thought they were tough enough, or so fresh off the street they had no idea what they were getting into.

laws aside, his stuff was pretty gross

As being the Land of the Free, the USA as a whole will grow adult some day.

Personally I feel MH picks his models very carefully. They don't seem too bright nor experienced in front of the camera. Nor do they seem to understand what they are signing up for.

Yea, Ive seem some of his stuff, and it does give you a kinda weird feeling when you're seeing the model eyes popping out of their heads while Mr Max covers them in piss. Its almost like they are thinking, " please let this be over soon, I need to pay the rent".

I think there should be more education in the adult world for new models entering the business so they at least know what they are getting into.

Max was around a long time. By the time they were shooting these girls knew what was in store for them.

They were not so much innocent or dumb as TOUGH.

I don't think most of them realized how far he was going to take things. Yes, America has some weird ideas when it comes to sex, but Max Hardcore did go too far and he should have been shut down a long time ago.

nudge96 wrote:

Now THIS was kind of a very clever comment.

Thank you.

I'm glad to see the defense of women and criticism of pornography on this thread. It suggests y'all might be a more reasoned, intelligent bunch of porn addicts than I thought.

A lot of porn might be bad for society, it might have been bad for the model. I wish we could see these things clearly so that we could avoid porn like that entirely. Usually we can't.

MH was bad for society, bad for its "models". I'm glad to see things like that go away.

shit some one forgot the first amendment, here comes the united stated of do what we say or your going to hell. bullshit!

For right or wrong, better or worse, a HUGE part of any competent,
reasoning, and reasonable approach to law, government, civilization, etc.,
is about drawing lines. Just where should they be drawn? People can and
will (and should) disagree, but if you really, really believe that there
should be NO lines drawn, because lines are simply wrong (or because no
one has the right to impose any opinions on anyone else, etc), then I
invite and encourage you to go try to pay a decent game of tennis on a
parking lot with no lines to show what's in, and what's out. You will soon
find that it just plain doesn't work worth a damn, without some lines to
offer guidance, and a foundation for reasonable rules.

Another useful analogy: if a road had absolutely no speed limit, then
society could indeed rely on 99% of the people to nevertheless drive at a
safe speed. But the problem is, there will always be that last 1% of the
population, filled with utterly stupid, shallow, reckless, immature idiots
who just plain cannot and will not accept any limits as being "reasonable".
And they will end up killing other (innocent) people. If you doubt it, take a
look at what happened n Montana -- a huge and pretty much empty state -
- when they completely removed any speed limits from some of their
highways. They had good reasons for doing so. But within a few years,
they realized they had made a bad mistake, and had failed to take
adequately into account the tendency of a reckless and stupid (small)
minority to kill, not just themselves, but innocent people as well. So, they
adopted speed limits again.

First basic fact: there are tons and tons and tons of MH DVD's and tapes
and vid files, still in circulation, and there will always be ways for those
who truly want to, to find and purchase them.

Second fact: Max really did injure -- in various ways, both physically and
emotionally -- a substantial number of vulnerable young women.
Whoever said, in a post above, that they were "tough", just plain got it
wrong, and apparently was trying to justify and rationalize what he
wanted, rather than taking a true look at what was actually happening to
a bunch of immature girls. And THAT factor surely, inevitably, and
unavoidably played a major, major part of why the jury decided to stop
him, before he could hurt still more vulnerable and immature young
women.