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Deity
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Added: Oct 07, 2008 2:08 am
What's funny about it though is that Tampa is well know for all the strip clubs. You would think some other city with higher standards would have prosecuted him.
ludedewd
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Added: Oct 07, 2008 3:45 am
I've heard about the legendary Mons Venus through a friend who said it's a major hangout for the local professional sports teams and visiting clubs.
Gotta love the hypocrisy.
koehper
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Added: Oct 07, 2008 4:47 am
Wasn't this guy who had a reality TV program with his family?

To me his films seemed sometimes more like a torture session. I never liked it.
MaXX5000
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Added: Oct 09, 2008 11:06 pm
I've never seen his films before but have heard a lot of things about what he does that wouldn't surprise me of his arrest.
billyellis
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Added: Oct 14, 2008 8:12 pm
Deity wrote:
Yes it was illegal. That is why he's going to prison. Obscenity is determined by your local community, not by national standards.

Perhaps, but that argument is specious. It is really hard to make a convincing argument that someone producing a product for national and international level distribution can be held responsible for every local law the product may violate worldwide. If that were true, then American companies would be wiped out with lawsuits where our movies and music violated, for example, local religious laws in Muslim countries. It simply is not a legally tenable position.

The only real legal risk was if the content was produced in a location where producing it is illegal (I don't know where he makes his films). Anything else is just a religious zealot legislating from the bench, and an appeal will likely be successful, and a judicial reprimand forthcoming. We have all probably seen the legal language on mail order stuff about it being the responsibility of the consumer to ensure that materials they are purchasing do not violate local laws. So unless he was filming in Tampa, this conviction is legal bunk.
gungalunga
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Added: Oct 15, 2008 9:07 am
Deity wrote:
Yes it was illegal. That is why he's going to prison. Obscenity is determined by your local community, not by national standards.


Federal Law negates state law. Freedom of speech man, if the two parties are over 18 and and having dirty sex that is up to them. No one was **** no laws were broken, if you dont like what he is filming THEN DONT WATCH IT!!!!, that is the right we ALL have.
Xippo
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Added: Oct 17, 2008 4:16 am
I really cant believe the judge and jury in this case simply decided he was a bad guy that needed to be punished for despicable acts. There were specific factors regarding distribution and obscenity laws, not "we dont like that, send him to jail".

This morning, U.S. District Judge Susan G. Bucklew sentencd director Paul Little, aka Max Hardcore, to 46 months in federal prison for distributing obscene material through the mail and the Internet. Little was fined a total of $7,500 and his company was fined a total of $75,000

Federal sentencing guidelines are a complicated affair, and thanks to the Supreme Court decision four years ago in U.S. v. Booker, they're now "advisory" rather than mandatory - but they're all about the numbers, and violations which have nothing to do with the charges immediately before the court can nonetheless affect a sentencing's bottom line.

"The judge followed the advisory guidelines, found that it was a level 22, and gave him the minimum which is 46 months because he was in category 2," Sirkin explained. "When the mailing [of the "obscene" material] was done, he was on probation for a DUI, so he got three criminal history points because of that, which put him into category 2 [a "second offender"] of the sentencing guidelines, which put him in a sentencing range of 46 to 57 months, and if he had been in category 1, he would have been in a guideline range of 41 to 47 months."

AVN has more details but these were more to the point. We'll see how the appeal goes.

As for Mr Little's future, I hope he gets to learn some role reversal in prison. Whether his stuff is legal or not and, yeah, all his models signed up for participation, he fullfills the fantasies of abusers and ped0philes. I wont miss him for that.

Considering the tax money the porn industry generates, I doubt we'll see a great ban on all porn sites as a result of this.

Its interesting to note what other porn producers think of him....

"Not infrequently, his scenes are fraught with pedophilia themes, beginning when he stumbles upon his subjects in playgrounds, where they sit alone, in pigtails, talking baby-talk, and sucking on lollipops. Mostly, the sex scenes end with his latest costar a mess and Hardcore triumphant. Even for the most jaded porn watcher, Little's ouevre is over the top.

Watching Little's work is less like watching a porn movie than it is akin to witnessing a vivisection. On the screen, Hardcore bends over the female bodies before him, sometimes with speculum in hand, as if attempting to get at something within her at which he can never quite get, and so to which he is doomed to return, his methods more and more hardcore.

In Porn Valley, Little is something of a pariah. The larger, more mainstream-oriented and consumer-friendly adult production companies like Vivid Video and Wicked Pictures pride themselves on turning out adult content that plays by the rules, thereby, they hope, protecting the industry from legal persecution. In contrast, Little and company, other producers believe, put the entire industry at risk by creating content more likely to be targeted in obscenity indictments. (See: The Cambria List.)

If for no other reason, if he threatens places like this forum, we can do without him.
EggMcMoofin
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Added: Oct 17, 2008 11:03 pm
koehper wrote:
Wasn't this guy who had a reality TV program with his family?

To me his films seemed sometimes more like a torture session. I never liked it.


You are thinking of Adam Glasser AKA Seymore Butts, who is one of the best people you could EVER meet in the world of adult entertainment. He was charged with a few offenses only it was relating to a single video with fisting which was kinda rare in US porn back then. Max Hardcore has always been a big target for the obscenity watchdogs so it's not surprising they finally nailed him for something.
EggMcMoofin
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Added: Oct 17, 2008 11:04 pm
koehper wrote:
Wasn't this guy who had a reality TV program with his family?

To me his films seemed sometimes more like a torture session. I never liked it.


You are thinking of Adam Glasser AKA Seymore Butts, who is one of the best people you could EVER meet in the world of adult entertainment. He was charged with a few offenses only it was relating to a single video with fisting which was kinda rare in US porn back then. Max Hardcore has always been a big target for the obscenity watchdogs so it's not surprising they finally nailed him for something.
imafuckingkraken
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Added: Oct 28, 2008 6:38 pm
billyellis wrote:
Deity wrote:
Yes it was illegal. That is why he's going to prison. Obscenity is determined by your local community, not by national standards.

Perhaps, but that argument is specious. It is really hard to make a convincing argument that someone producing a product for national and international level distribution can be held responsible for every local law the product may violate worldwide. If that were true, then American companies would be wiped out with lawsuits where our movies and music violated, for example, local religious laws in Muslim countries. It simply is not a legally tenable position.

It's not an argument it's federal law of the Christian country of USA. If you distribute what is considered obscene and offensive by the community standards, you commit a crime. In case of Max I'd guess he severely offended his concurrents

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The only real legal risk was if the content was produced in a location where producing it is illegal (I don't know where he makes his films). Anything else is just a religious zealot legislating from the bench, and an appeal will likely be successful, and a judicial reprimand forthcoming.

I don't think so. The last successful application of the obscenity laws I remember was against a comic artist who had drawn some explicit sodomy involving Jesus H. Christ. And that was reasonably tame by post-internet standards.
drolli
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Added: Oct 29, 2008 11:18 am
The obscenity laws as they are being applied are insane and ridiculous. How can one know exactly what will or will not be considered "obscene" in each and every town in the US? I hear in the US there are counties that make all porn completely illegal - that is within the obscenity law, and at least in that case you have an ordinance telling you that it is illegal, and there's not much room for mistakes.

What this guy has to do is fight this decision in higher courts - if he has the resources.

The thing is, they target a guy that is something of a pariah and so is less likely to find support from the industry at large.
hume
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Added: Oct 30, 2008 11:31 pm
Sucks to be him. You think he would have at least talked to a lawyer prior to starting his business?
Highlifer
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Added: Nov 08, 2008 4:46 pm
I remember watching one of my fav porn babes movie with him, the more he kept pissing in her mouth and all over her face the more I felt bad for her and wondered why she would lower herself to that kinda film, yes I know the answer is $$$$ but even still...gross
RaggedClaws
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Added: Nov 08, 2008 5:52 pm
No comment on the actual case, but on the subject of MH, I've seen the psychological warfare he deploys on his models to break them down to do things they don't really want to do, and my view is that this jail term probably couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Please read that last phrase again and take the LITERAL meaning only.

An incidental point... Max Hardcore's real name is Paul Little? I did not know that. It explains a great deal. Btw, the name Paul comes from Latin Paulus, which means "little" in Latin too. So his name is Little Little.
Escapex
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Added: Nov 09, 2008 2:49 am
hmm abit late but wow Confused