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T-Bone
Respected Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 5:38 am
Elf Punk--you're my hero.

Lazuro--the nature of this way of communication lends itself very easily to misinterpretation. How you say something--especially in English--is just as important as what you say. Boards and e-mail take away that part of communication--the how you say something. i.e. if someone writes "eat a dick" it's hard to know if they mean "fuck off" or "consume a penis" or "fuck off jokingly" or whatever. What the hell am I talking about?
mummy
Respected Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 6:29 am
Hey, lazuro and elfpunk. I really hope you guys can find common ground and get back to the sort of exchange you had going on the post "Would you have sex with a ladyboy?" (however silly that post idea was!) I hope you guys can clear the air between you. I've come to dig both your contributions. Peace among us.
Julie
I'm probably spamming
Added: Jan 16, 2005 7:47 am
I usually like girls from 13-15....they are SO sexy when everything is just starting to blossom!
lazuro
Good Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 11:40 am
''it is sad that this topic or thread is so long, because the way i see it maybe only in part is a bunch of guys trying to clear their concienses or ease their guilt of looking at the girls on teenfuns. I suppose it is quite nice that you're all backing each other up and saying it's ok. But what i mean is that it's sad that in todays society we feel we have to explain ourselves or justify what we are doing looking at beautiful teenage girls.''

that is actually what caused all this fuss. it seems elf punk interprits 'it is sad that this topic or thread is so long' as meaning the people writing it are sad or pathetic. When really what i am saying. ''But what i mean is that it's sad that in todays society we feel we have to explain ourselves or justify what we are doing looking at beautiful teenage girls'', as i wrote. and really nothing more than that. yes its an interesting discussion, but i was merely poinitng out that i dont think people would feel the need to get involved it so whole heartedly without their personal guilt etc.

i dont see how that is so hard to get your head round, the truth is you misinterpreted my post and got your fucking nickers in a twist.

i never thought you were pathetic, but how seriously you took this, and the amount you wrote , i do now.
lazuro
Good Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 1:16 pm
i suppose it all comes down to how you read something, but with slang or whatever for young english people it went out of fashion in about 1997 to call somebody 'SAD', meaning they are pathetic in the way that elf punk thought. Also the fact that i said "maybe only in part'' should have been enough indication that i wasnt saying this is just like some big self help group and none of you are genuinely just interested in the topic.
i would have thought any normal person would have answered my post like this-

''yes lazuro it is sad that we all have such under lying inner termoil, but its a fucking interesting dicsussion, with some simply exquisit points being brought to the forefront of our consciousness, don't you think dear boy''

''oh, quite right, young elf punk my sweet ****, although i dont think people would be agreeing with your posts in this subject so enthustiastically if it wasnt for the fact that you had put to rest the woe of many of their secret inner conflicts and unwittingly deluded self beliefs that appreciating the youthfull beauty of teensfuns puntang would result in jesus and his many disciples slamming the gates of heaven firmly in there faces"

''Ah ha, i see what you mean lazuro my fellow cladge enthusiast, you think a lot of people here are seeking some kind of solice (however the fuck you spell that) for the fact they are not satified with the average joe's porn preferences of a fake tanned mid twenties sex beast with an enhanced boozum''.

''yes im glad you understand me my elven prince, and i was simply stating the fact i found it an almighty pitty that people feel the need to explain there sexual urges and fantasy laden desires to both themselves and the outside world, and this is why so many people have written here thinking in such great depth with comparison to many other parts of the forum''.

'' why yes lazuro i totally agree, and im glad that my writing has put to rest the minds of so many troubled individuals, who were about to go sign up for a months subscription to slutfest.com. Oh well, glad we cleared that up, jolly muther fucking hockey sticks im off to bust a nut to nancy, would you care to join me''


well yes i would if you hadnt got personally insulting and called me a prick , said i wasnt that bright and said that i had a thick head. I could easily offend you and use such disses, but its way beneath me, and its quite ironic that with your argument you have actully given me that holier than thou state of mind that you originally accused me of.
markus1
Retired Legend
Added: Jan 16, 2005 4:25 pm
Whoa there boys. Geez, absent for half a day and when I come back this thread just exploded.

I hope by this point, you have both come to terms with the fact that you won't always agree with one another 100%, and that in a forum of typed communication, misinterpretation can easily happen. From reading the posts (yes, I've read them all, and you both have very interesting well-thought contributions) I think that's what has happened, misinterpretation. Please bear in mind (everyone) when you're reading someone else's post, that you might not always fully understand what the person is intending to say. This could be due to language barriers (remember, we're a global village) or it could simply be that personally we use certain terms in a way different from how someone else would use them, thanks to human fondness for slang. Anyways, before I get caught up in a ramble...I hope we can get back to the days of "brotherhood" that were enjoyed here before. If someone posts something that you disagre with, or that you think you may not fully understand...ask them for a further explanation, or PM them and discuss it privately if you feel the need. You may, in the end, find that what at first seemed a difference of opinion, turns out to be support of an opinion that you share.

Cheers all,
Markus
elf_punk
Respected Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 6:07 pm
lazuro...
i am about to go bust a nut to nancy.
care to join me?

here is the other problem with forums like this:

it is easy for people to forget they are writing to people; not just to will-o-the-whisp thoughts in digital form.

Of this we are both guilty. My apologies.

We are also both guilty of focusing more on the differences -- or perceived differeces -- than on the common-ground. For this I am most sorry, as it is not my M.O.

If writing a great deal on a subject is considered pathetic, well then we are both pathetic too, I more than you certainly; though I disagree with the premise. For me, writing is like breathing. It really doesn't take as much time or effort as you might think. For this I do not apologize, but thank you for sharing your impression of it.

I could blame it on the crappy week or anything else, but yes, I was excessively agressive. A prick? Why yes, I was the very prick I've accused you of being. Mind you, this doesn't mean I am saying I was wrong in every word, or that you were not being a prick yourself. But yes, I definitely was being a prick, and I aplogize.

Do try to examine your original statement though. I could have gone about pointing this out to you more constructively than I did (and ordinarilly I can safely say I would have), but there really is a great deal that is implied between the lines that I think you do not realize.

Whether you agree or not though, I hope we can both agree that there is more in common between us than different. I'd very muchlike to focus more on that now, if it's all the same to you.

Truce?
Super Pornicator
Good Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 6:57 pm
NOW we have text overload. How about you guys just drop it and we get back to just talking about hotties again? Elf_Punk, I totally agree with pretty much everything you're saying, but in all seriousness, its not like we can change the world from here. Lazuro, I think your message was clear until these last couple of posts, which I'm not gonna bother deciphering.

All I know is that at this point, it seems like we're discussing semantics and forum etiquette; OFF TOPIC and BORING in my opinion and it could seriously go on for weeks without resolve anyways.
elf_punk
Respected Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 7:00 pm
markus1 wrote:

...If someone posts something that you disagree with, or that you think you may not fully understand...ask them for a further explanation, or PM them and discuss it privately if you feel the need. You may, in the end, find that what at first seemed a difference of opinion, turns out to be support of an opinion that you share...


Markus, thanks for the sobering reminder.

I went off...

I think it has to do with a lot of pent-up anxiety right now (dear friend just died, cousin getting shipped off to Iraq, relationship issues, 70 hour work-week just to name a few)...

However, I think it is evident that there was a quite obvious implication that the people posting extensively on this subject were doing so for no other reason than to abate their own guilty consciences, and yes, I took great offense to that; I found it to be (unwittingly) belittling and condescending.

He did not intend to say that. I realize that. I have realized that from the beginning of my discourse with him. But intended or not, it is what he said.

Unfortunately, I took a far
too confrontational approach at pointing this out. This I concede. So my goal was lost on account of my own aggression.

Apologies to all.
elf_punk
Respected Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 7:04 pm
Super Pornicator wrote:
NOW we have text overload. How about you guys just drop it and we get back to just talking about hotties again? Elf_Punk, I totally agree with pretty much everything you're saying, but in all seriousness, its not like we can change the world from here. Lazuro, I think your message was clear until these last couple of posts, which I'm not gonna bother deciphering.

All I know is that at this point, it seems like we're discussing semantics and forum etiquette; OFF TOPIC and BORING in my opinion and it could seriously go on for weeks without resolve anyways.


I TOTALLY agree SP.

Thanx.
elf_punk
Respected Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 7:09 pm
The part that made me really wanna call this ugly debate off:

lazuro wrote:
.... 'yes im glad you understand me my elven prince....


... I know you didn't intend it "nicely" but I think it was a psychic slip.

Not many people know that I am not just a punk but a prince. Still trying to find a way back to my kingdom.

At any rate, it's indicative of the good part of you, the part I would like go back to turning my intention to...
markus1
Retired Legend
Added: Jan 16, 2005 7:10 pm
Alright! now back to all the sweet youn g things we've all come here to enjoy and discuss.

Bring on the titties! Laughing
elf_punk
Respected Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 7:11 pm
markus1 wrote:
Alright! now back to all the sweet youn g things we've all come here to enjoy and discuss.

Bring on the titties! Laughing


yeah, PLEASE DO... i am with family at the moment... away from all my sweet porn... *sigh*
markus1
Retired Legend
Added: Jan 16, 2005 7:15 pm
elf_punk wrote:
markus1 wrote:
Alright! now back to all the sweet youn g things we've all come here to enjoy and discuss.

Bring on the titties! Laughing


yeah, PLEASE DO... i am with family at the moment... away from all my sweet porn... *sigh*


Hmmm....you want to share the titties with your family? kinky Laughing
elf_punk
Respected Poster
Added: Jan 16, 2005 7:33 pm
markus1 wrote:


Hmmm....you want to share the titties with your family? kinky Laughing


LMAO... yeah i guess that does sound kinda' funny...
Yeah, we're all sitting around the computer together, sipping green tea and surfing for porn.

"The family that pervs together stays together"

No, I've secluded myself in my brothers' room. I need a few more cups of coffee before I can attend a send-off party where everyone is trying really hard to pretend they ain't scared that my cuz will be coming home in a box.

So you guys are my escape.

Thanx.

p.s., for those of you on the outside looking in; I am really REALLY sorry about our president. I didn't vote for him.