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Xippo
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Added: Jan 08, 2009 8:06 am
billyellis wrote:
Several previous posters have mentioned war and politics, and of course, no individual gets to the sort of jobs that make those choices if they are kind, caring people who love humanity as a whole. If they did, they would not have been morally able to do the things 'necessary' to get to those jobs. There is no heirarchical power structure in the world, be it political or economic, that is a meritocracy. The only way to advance is to step on the people below you. That's how it works. So an interesting philosophical side-topic to this question is why do we entrust these kinds of decisions to individuals who by definition have demonstrated that they are the last people who should ever be entrusted with this sort of decision?


On a purely rational and objective level, one would look at the carrying capacity of the habitat for any organism and determine whether the population was too large; in our case, the carrying capacity is 100 million humans for the entire planet...which is somewhat shocking when you consider that were are rapidly approaching 10 billion. Through short-term technological tricks that are simple putting off starvation and water shortages into the not-too-distant future, and at a severe cost to our own system in the form of mass extinctions (humans are the first organic cause of a mass extiction in the history of life on Earth) of other species and planet-wide destabilization, we are temporarily sustaining a massive overpopulation. One would - from the outside as the aliens in sci-fi stories like "The Day The Earth Stood Still" - look at the system and see a single species destroying the habitat as an invasive parasite that should be removed.


I have to respectfully disagree with your first statement above. I'm not naive enough to believe what you said is completely false but, I believe people of power can have the moral capacity to do the right thing and still climb to the top by that reputation and not soley by using others as treadstones. I've worked with such people. However, if there was the need for that person to protect you and your countrymen, would you prefer someone who would rather lay down and die (or let you die) rather than call all and himself to stand up against aggression? I hope we'll always have leaders (for whatever country) strong enough to make decisions that, however painful, are absolute in the necessity of defense.

On the second I agree. The human population is out of control and we still do all we can to make it increase, attempt to sustain it and make ourselves live longer, yet complain about the next mass of forest destroyed to help support those we've saved or given birth to. As with any species, nature will correct it eventualy by one method or another, regardless of our efforts to combat it. After gaining some sort of stability to our environment, population control will be the next global issue, provided disease or other natural catastrophe doesnt handle it for us.
michaliegerad
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Added: Jan 08, 2009 8:26 am
Well, it's not the box... everyone that makes a million dollars, and be it from pure lucking out in Vegas, has someone on his conscience! Don't believe me? Well, look at all the money, and then think where it comes from. The fed printing press, OK, granted, but take the value we attach to this worthless scrap of paper. The key here is the value creation chain, which I am not in the mood to explain now. #
But someone has to sit at the very bottom of that ladder, and that someone most likely sits in a remote country like bangladesh or the like and is paying dearly, and very probably even with his life in the long run, for the high value of our western currencies, so that we can buy a pair of branded sneakers for two day's pay instead of a month's. HE likely couldnt with a year's pay.
But never mind, he can't even pay the 20$ his doc charges for his appendicitis as this would be a full month's money which he can't front, so it takes him a week to die in screaming agony, leaving the family without the only one generating at least some income, so his wife and daughters either starve or take up whoring and dying of AIDS in a few more years. But hell, after all this is just one less case of overpopulation (which btw. always is the problem of poor countries, never the one of our "civilized world")...

So it is not about the box at all, but about being rich in general. Hell, even 20 grand a year might kill someone you don't know...

Greets,
Liege
plomplom
Very Respected Poster
Added: Feb 24, 2009 3:53 am
bucketheaad- interesting question...

you posed it as "Do you press the button and if so how many times?"..

...Ignoring the real philosophical point of the question...(introspection on value of life, immediate personal gratification vs what's good for others / the world....etc) -- and just thinking about the question and loopholes posed....

why not push it as many times as it takes to kill all the people in the world that you don't know & are strangers to you?? (yes it'll take some time)

But when if I understand the question and it's loophole correctly - at the end you'd come out the richest person of all your friends and relatives (whom would be the only folks left besides you-- can't harm them if the button only kills the 'abstract faceless stranger you don't know')... How warped...
vascodegamo
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Added: Mar 01, 2009 10:17 pm
For me: none. I will never be rich but I am comfortable. That is enough for me. This is a good question and interesting. I know I will never be rich because there are some things I would never do for money, no matter how many lives or however much money. Power and money are just not my thing. I would not make a good politician.
kiodriver
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Added: Mar 03, 2009 10:38 am
Life is short, people die all the time! I might die in a car accident tomorrow. I don't know. WW3 might break out and we might all die. Press the button, oh till I get enough to live off comfortably. Call Satan and tell him to reserve a spot, I'll be there in about 1day-70 years from now. Hehe
grinner
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Added: Mar 03, 2009 12:42 pm
bah! gimme the box and i'll push it for you... no second thoughts... call me cruel or whatever, but first off i have to take care of my family, and if that entails a stranger has to die (although how tragic that is), i would do it... though i am amazed that plenty of people in here would choose not to... kinda gives me hope that this world isn't as bad as i thought... now if there were less like me, it would be a lot more pleasant, i guess Smile
indian33
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Added: Mar 03, 2009 3:51 pm
Why do people have to turn every topic in to a political argument. This was a question of your person limits not a question about war or you own political bias. To make this about George Bush is ignorant.
NM8
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Added: Mar 03, 2009 6:00 pm
This is an interesting question posted by the OP.

Push the button and become rich, but the pay off is some one, some where in the world you will have never of met drops dead!

Knowing the way my luck goes, I'd hit the button and the cash would bring me nothing but bad luck.

I cant really answer the question.... But it does make you think...
CarolPrincex
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Added: Mar 04, 2009 5:47 am
I'll press it once my money is over...

So I'd say about once a year... hahoahha
Lay_the_Kat
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Added: Mar 11, 2009 6:32 am
Over 150000 People Die Every Day ANYWAY



Odds are that a bunch of people in Prison will die AND old people that where about to die anyway. dont forget the homeless and those on welfare. HA
IceTrain
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Added: Mar 11, 2009 10:11 pm
Can I first make sure that Kirsten Dunst is somebody I know, THEN push the button? I'd hate to accidentally kill off my reason for needing the money.
puzzles_p
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Added: Mar 31, 2009 8:14 pm
I wouldn't press the button, I would destroy the box.

I would live content with the knowledge that my
actions have caused no-ones death Smile

Plus with the dollar plumetting could I have Euros instead?
bif_tanner
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Added: Apr 15, 2009 10:43 pm
kill the messenger
Lay_the_Kat
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Added: Oct 23, 2009 9:39 pm
bump! this is going to be a movie ! ! ! Very Happy
Loui375
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Added: Oct 24, 2009 12:40 am
This is surely a nice and interesting question and it should be mandatory in schools around the world (even if i'm afraid we would be shocked how different the answers would be).
Reminds me of something that the french poet Charles Baudelaire once said: (sorry, my translation) The biggest success of the devil was, to make man believe that he (the devil) didn't exist (or something like that) Wink

And therefor i have the slight impression this question is a trap that should keep us busy in thinking why, who, how ... so that we can't see the obvious: This box exists and there are a few guys laughing all day about us and pressing this damn button as often as they can.
So the question should rather be: What would you do to prevent anybody to press this button?
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