Very Delictae Subject

ok quick question I am by no means a racist I am a live and let live kinda guy I have a number of black,asian & white friends but I would like to know what people thing about this subject.

I live in an area in the UK that is known for having a lot of imigrants which is not a bad thing however I was drivng past a school today at home time and i noticed 99% of the pupils were asian,Now i have also heard that a lot of white familys will not send their white pupils to that school as the white pupils get bullied by the asian pupils,So we have another school just down the road that is mainly white pupils and the reverse is the case, Now in my humble opinion they should mix the schools up and have equal numbers of all creeds (as far as possible anyway) that way the pupils grow up to have a balanced reflection of friends from all backgrounds and religions,I personally dont think its good for either school to have a majority of race.Are we not supposed to be a mixed race society and have balanced areas where we all live and that way we learn to get along but in most citys there are massive black areas masive asian areas masive jewish areas etc,Surely this just promotes inter race trouble as some people feel they are no go areas.

What does everyone else think about this??

P.S. All my friends of all races agree with me.
P.P.S the schools are less than a mile apart so cathment areas should not apply

I guess it's a problem everywhere. It must be easier to huddle together with people who share your language (if applicable), culture and mindset than to integrate into a different society. The jews and the muslims have been noted throughout history for keeping themselves insular - partly because of thier dietery requirements.

The English are as bad - check out expats in Spain and France.
So are the Aussies - check out the West End of London.
Oh, and the Irish in America, the Welsh in Patagonia, the Dutch in South Africa, the Americans everywhere, etc. etc. etc.

yep, there's ghettos everywhere too. We call them chinatown sometimes, sometimes little Italy. Immigrants stick together to protect themselves. They usually spread out over a couple generations and as they become more affluent.

andreww770 wrote:

I agree with a small comunity in a small area all sticking I am not blaming any creed we all do it not any one race but integration is the key not taking over a complete area,When you look back in the past most wars are over religion.

It's always better to a have an equal mix of races because either way, people will probably go with their own each time but with equal numbers, no one race is going to be ostracized. I went to schools that had very little number of white students, which I felt bad for(I'm hispanic though).

Australia is very multicultural and the funny thing is it is always the most recent arrivals who get vilified.

When I was a lad it was Italians and Greeks, then Vietnamese now it is Somalis......

By the second generation no one takes any real notice and it has done wonders for our cuisine!

DILLIGAF wrote:

I agree that imigration and intergration is great for everyone but surely what we are talking about here in some cases is not imigration but segregation of diffrent nationals within a ceartin area,segregation breeds racism pure and simple but intergration helps to break down these barriers and people should learn tolerance of others and will hopefully learn to live with one another in a balanced way.

For exapmle for 10 years I used to work on cruise ships and for an example one ship we had english entertainers,dutch pursers and hotel staff,scanavian stewadeses,far eastern waiters,american/canadian shop staff,philipino deck staff,isreali security staff and there were also german,french,spanish and australian staff in fact people from 53 diffrent countries now we all lived together and mixed together and dated each other some married and we all learned diffrent parts of each others cultures and traditions etc this was a great experience now we cant we make the whole world like one big cruise ship.

sonyman1232002 wrote:

I agree that integration is the solution - England and indeed English is a fusion of the Romans, Bretons, Walloons, Danes, Angles, Saxons, Scots, Irish, Welsh and just about every other refugee group or displaced people the world has had. However, this must start with the imigrating group - if they are isolationist and make little or no attempt to assimilate the culture of the country into which they are imigrating, then how can integration ever occur?

I don't think the cruise ship analogy is particularly helpfull since in that case you are all effectively imigrants, aren't you?

Rereading that, it sounds rather harsher than I intended - no offense was intended, and hopefully none taken.

As effectively an immigrant to the Land of Song from England, I can say from personal experience that at least making an attempt to integrate does help.
The Welsh don't like the English - and historically they have good reason - but we moved here over 4 years ago, and have started to learn Welsh (bloody difficult language). We are accepted, welcomed and seem well integrated. Others, who moved here before us, still find the Welsh stand-offish and rude. We can't get the buggers to shut up - even a quick trip to the butchers will take at least twenty minutes - 1 to get served, 5 to pay, and the rest chatter!
If you try to integrate - even if you fail - you will be accepted a lot better than if you make no effort.

AltonTowers wrote:

ok none taken,what i meant was we should all try to live and let live,I know pakisanis dislike indians and the turks dislike the greeks etc etc that is deep rooted and cannot be overcome in one generation but if we all tried to intergrate and get along with our fellow humans then we could at least start to put soem of the prejudices that we have to one side.

I know this all sound idealist but I think everyone should try to be a bit more tolerant except when driving then eveyone else apart from me is wrong ???

Ah, wouldn't it be nice if we all could just get along? But yeah race is a problem everywhere. Sonyman your theory has been tried here in the U.S and has for the most part succeeded. There are still those that will resist, being mixed up with other races, nationalities or creeds but It helps to have everyone mixed up even if it cause problems at first especially with ****ren. A lot of people will disagree with me on this but I have had all sort of friends and gone out with all kinds of girls thanks to that. White, latin,black, mixed...Those damn asians always seem hard to get. But i have had asians friends.

Have you ever seen where your history / philosophy teacher plots out all the beliefs from most left wing to most right wing? It is not a straight line. It actually becomes a circle at the most extreme sides. That is the way I feel about this. With integration and diversity, my belief continuum becomes a circle. I think that people should integrate and live freely among each other, if they so choose (more to the left). However, I feel those who want to isolate themselves from others and live or socialize only amongst those of similar beliefs and cultures should have that right without integration being **** upon them (more to the right). As a practical matter, economic realities and limited resources probably force involuntary integration in many areas of the world. In other words, many can't afford to move if their city / neighborhood changes in a way they would not want.

Time tends to heal all wounds, and in this case blur all differences. To use the US as an example there is still a great deal of seperation between predominantly black communities and white communties (as well as other racial groups of course). But within my life time those boundaries have faded quite a bit. When I was a **** interracial dating was almost unheard of throughout much of the country, now most folks wouldn't blink an eye at it.
I think it's time, equal social status for the various ethnic and racial groups and economics that combine to blend together societies. It can happen in a few decades or it can take several generations. North Africans, to use an example, are a relatively new arrival in Western Europe so I wouldn't be surprised if its a long and often difficult process for them to be accepted into the mainstream. Until then, like everyone else, they'll tend to hang out with people that they have the most in common with, people from the same social, ethnic and racial group.

yea maybe u seem right, but in reality things not go in this way though. can you imagine a german and a jewish be in a harmony and become a great friends?? maybe in really really rare case. it is like a cat n a dog be friends, sometimes we saw news like that in tvs. but most of the time a cat n a dog dont be like that...it sound like a somekind of american dream.. i have a dream, all the people in the world live in a great harmony and brothership, leave the weapons, be friends..ahh sorry, world is not that good place dude