Oliona vids are they allowed on this site?

I recently posted a vid of Oliona from her virginz.info/oliona.info days. I was then advised by other posters on this board that I should remove it (which I did) because she may have been too young.

I think This may be correct beause the videos she made previousley are from 2003 and she is 18 or 19 in the video she has just made in 2006 for angelfuns. This must mean that amateurz.info/oliona.info are lying by saying she and maybe the rest of their models are 18.

So am I allowed to post Oliona vids here? Thanks for your advice.

mr penis...

You need to ask this sort of question to a moderator or admin in a private message! I think you already know this though

Teeno MArkus and I have been doing this for long enough to know whats what, I think, when it comes to <18 content. Send one of us a screen shot of the thing and one of us will let you know if iks ok or not.

maybe i am being to paranoid but if a website has an over 18 compliance statement does it mean the girls are definately 18 or do they sometimes lie? I think Oliona is Russian maybe girls over there just look younger.

Oh please!

mr penis wrote:

I'm a ex webmaster/photographer for alot of models/model websites.
So do you now believe everything I say or write?
If so that's great, Send $xxx to (etc etc etc) and (etc etc etc)...

Of course alot of model websites lie about the models ages.
I lied on most websites. Mainly about the models location and name.
I had a model from Germany which was labeled from "east Europe" and Russian descendant models from Israel which where labeled as "Russian models", Models from outside Europe, who where labeled European. etc etc.

I often photoed a model for 2 months (4-5 photoshoots a week) 8-10 "sets" a shoot, making sure to alter the models clothes and hair and look on each set. To make it look like a new day, and payed them about $50 ph. Over 2 months thats about 360 photosets. So i took enough photos in those 2 months, to open a site and keep it updating weekly for the next 2 years. This is probably why some models dont age much and then all of a sudden look 2 years older

And by the time i ran out of photos for the website, the model was often married with a baby and had moved. So during the running of the site and the advertising of the site. All the models information like likes and dislikes, and diary enteries and whatever was all made up.

Examples 1.. The model and photographer and website is held in a European country where the legal age is 16. With them not being in the USA, they dont even have to have a us law title 18 declaration on their website at all unless they use a us ccard company. But they know if they don't have one they wont get as many visitors or members or cash. So they could put up a lame disclaimer and every ones happy.

Example 2.. Alot of 19-20yo models get labeled as 18.

Example 3.. When globosale (a ccard processor in Switzerland in about 2002) stopped processing for clothed nonude models under twe-lve. There was alot of models that had a quick age increase.

Example 4.. Most of the disclaimers don't really say much anyway if you read them, Alot say all models are over 18, or EXEMPT from title 18.
Exempt because they are not in the USA, Exempt because the photos are before xx year, exempt because the model is not engaged in sexual acts.

Technically most nude models are all exempt from title 18 recording laws, because they are not engaged in sexual acts as outlined in the act.

Bla Bla Bla, Point being I suggest you dont believe everything you read.

If you want to be really sure and safe, visit and collect models who use reputable US based credit card companies like CCBILLS, CCbills wants to see the models ID's before connecting the website up, And ccbills runs lawyers over the websites before connection as-well.

thanks Tommy for taking the time to post a very interesting explanation-much appreciated

All of Oliona's videos are already posted on this site.

Thanks Tommy its good to have an honest insiders view that doesn't happen very often. i suppose the problem is that the majority of the customers to teen websites are Americans and they want to see young girls. So people from Europe and Russia where girls are legally allowed to be filmed at below 18 years of age are making up the over 18 compliance thing and pretending the girls are 18 so that they can cash in on the American market. So because the website has the 18 compliance statement the American can in a sense legally view underage porn and the people that made the website havn't done anything wrong because they are not subject to american law.

mr penis wrote:

Yeppo, thats my thinking, from my experience in the industry.

As was said, all you have to worry about is obeying the laws of the country you and the model are living in. If what you are doing and photographing is legal in your country. Then theirs no problems.

If you are in one country, the model in another, the website hosted in another, and the credit card company in another country. Then you have to make sure you obey the laws of all 4 countrys.

Theirs alot of other things done too.
Like I used to ban access to my websites to everyone in my country. That way only people in other countries could view the website. Anyone accessing the website from my country, would just result in a static basic general page. This coupled with false information like country and name, helped keep the models privacy. It also helped get models aswell since they knew their was less change of people she knew accessing the photos.

Done get me wrong, alot of models labeled 18 are actually 18.
But if you have a 16yo model which is legal in your country, they often get called 18 aswell, the same that 19 and 20 and 21 models get called 18. Alot of models are 18 for 4 years lol.

The same how alot of models are never photoed with boyfriends, and never have boyfriends. To make them look available in the viewers mind.
And alot of the models are bi, and virgins and etc.. Some girls have boob jobs, some photographers touch up photos to remove scars. Etc Etc, its about attracting members.

hi tommmy...many thx for ur very interesting infos about the "law and order stuff"...


only have one question?

tommmy wrote:

why "ex"...no money in the biz anymore? or millionaire and no need to work?

andre3000 wrote:

Well it was easy when I started, because I had alot of the first "model" non nude/non porn, websites on the net. Then with the market sorta cornered, opening new sites was easy, because i had alot of traffic to direct where i wanted it. My sites where spinning through around 150,000 visitors a day. Alot of that coming from auto ranking top 10 lists that i was one of the first to use. But yeah after closing all sites down for about 2 years, i did try to open up some new ones. And yeah, I found it alot tougher. I think 1/2 because there's not as much money in it any more, and 1/2 from i lost the market/traffic, so had trouble getting people into the sites. Alot of credit card companys closed on me stealing 2-3 months of money each time aswell. Companies like globosale and sitecard.

As for why did i close all me sites. Well thats a long story, no one real reason, but heres examples. Basically 18yo girls are very beautiful to look at, but working with them is a complately different thing.

Examples.

Model payment is always a argument, and the models often steal the website off you.

1st way.. I offer a model a 50%/50% share of a website. with no payment for photos and no expenses. So then for 2-3 months while a photo stock pile is built, they whinge whine and complain every day and every shoot, about how they are working alot, and not getting paid anything, and how you are ripping them off.
And then after the websites open and they are earning shitloads, they work out that they are now earning alot without doing any photoshoots, so they complain about doing shoots, because they are getting paid weekly from the site whether they photo or not.
And they then decide that the sites earning money because of them, and that they think they don't need me (the webdesigner / photographer) taking 50% of site earnings, so they pay there own photographer and webdesigner PH and open there own site.
2nd way... You get sick of the above, so you just pay the models $50 a hour. get alot of photos and then open a site. So then they complain you have a website online for them earning alot of money every week while they earn nothing, and how you didnt pay them that much and ripped them off. So again they start paying a photographer and try to open their own site.

1 site, the model bought the domain name, so after about 12 months they payed a web designer and hoster to make and host a new site, and redirected the domain name off my server. I labeled all the photos copyright www.xxxxxxxmodel.com so, wasnt much i could do about the takeover/stealing.

1 site the model employed their own photographer and webdesigner and opened there own site. And then she even went out and hired models herself.
1 site i payed the model $50 ph up front for photos, then another web-designer contacted the model and offered them 50/50, so they opened another site.
1 site, I payed a photographer who photoed and payed the models, then signed over the releases to me. He decided to take those models to his own sites.
Hmmm list really does go on..

As for the models.
1. One was advertising $150 nude, $75 lingerie $50 swimsuit.
So i arranged fer them to wear and get photoed in very small bikinis. and offered them a higher lingerie rate of $75.. After driving 1000 miles/1500km to the model. They complain the bikinis are too small and refuse to wear most of them, and also complain about going into the sea with any of them, because they would go see through.. Her reasoning being that although she did nude photos, that wasn't in public, the bikini at the beach where.

2. I arrange to pay a model $75ph for nude photos, I drive 1000 miles / 1500 kms to meet a model, pay $500 to hire a studio for a day. Then straight after i pay for the studio, the model goes, sooo about pay? I usually charge $150 ph. Room was booked, so instead of shooting her for a few weeks, just payed her for a couple of hours, and refused to hire her again.

3. I arrange to pay a model for shoots everyday for 2 weeks, I drive 1000 miles / 1500km to the model, book into a hotel for 2 weeks, do a day of shooting. Then ask for id and go to pay over the cash, and i find she lied about her age, shes 17 not 18.

4. One i photoed for about 5-6 shoots. (payed per hour), during those few weeks, she got a boyfriend who didnt like the idea. So she begged for me to not use the photos I payed her for. Which i didnt.

5. One of my photographers I payed for photoing models for me, photoed some russian marfia's daughter. So when he found out, he refunded me, and asked me not to use the photos.

That list goes on aswell..

Also im married, although my mrs was ok with it, photoing models still does cause some tention.

Also the country I live in has very little poverty, most girls are reasonably confotable money wise. So hiring models is pretty hard. Here everyone wants to model in lingerie for the cover of a popular m-a-gazine for free, for fame. But no-one wants to model for a website for $50ph. So I usually flew overseas a couple of a months at a time photoing models in other countries, and then came back and opened websites for them. Travelling all the time got harder when my k-i-d-s started growing up and going to school.

So yeah looking at them's nice, but working with them usually isn't nice lol
I decided to have a less complicated simpler life lol

If a really hot young looking 18yo passed my doorstep, id probably open another site again. But only if they where really really special, and i knew they would make alot, and I cant be bothered looking for models any more.

This forum is one of the best sites I've found on the net. So i'll just stick with visiting here, and stick with the looking. lol

Hi tommy!

Many thanks for your detailed behind the scenes report, it was one of the most interesting posts I read here (exept for media content of corse...)!

To be honest, I got quite some fetish in photography(*) and I'm interested in every detail I could learn about that.
Most websites/forums I found about photography are more focused on amateur act/erotic art photography, not in softcore, it seems to be a whole other buisness so thanks again for that infos!

(*) and maybe some day I'd like to do some photoshootings myself, just for my own pleasure, not to make $ with...
at least that's my momentary personal dream regarding such tthings.

hi tommy...

while reading i thought i may know ur sites and the girls u are working with...

making money with cute modelsites (NN) was much easier in the early years of the internet...there are too much out now...and yes...18yo´s looks nice but most of them think they are paris hilton when they see their pics in the net...

so thanx for ur very specific answer...and good luck to u and ur family in ur "simple life"

cya
andre3000

fascinating stuff tommmy about the model sites. I have a question too tho. How do you find the models, especially overseas? I imagine girls would be more suspicious of a foreigner wanting to photo them naked, or am i wrong?